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20 And Saul sent messengers to take David: and when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, and Samuel standing as appointed over them, the Spirit of God was on the messengers of Saul, and they also prophesied. Answer: First Samuel 16:14 says, “The Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.” This is also mentioned in 1 Samuel 16:15–16, 23; 18:10; and 19:9. But Jonathan, Saul's son, greatly delighted in David. At the end of 1 Samuel 19:7, there was a truce in the spiritual war involving David and Saul. Virtual Yeshiva: An Online Resource for Jewish Education and Responding to Missionary Groups, “What I admire is honesty and truth, no matter who, or what, the sources are.”. Saul wanted to kill David so much that he told his officials to search through Israel for him. And He said: You will entice and you will prevail. You say you want to learn (whether you agree or not is not at issue) -- and yet having been taught you continue to ask the same repetitive Chrstological questions. The "Spirit of God" descended on the messengers, and they started to prophesise (Verse 20). But the Spirit of God came upon even Saul, and he walked along prophesying until he came to Naioth in Ramah. As they prayed, God�s Holy Spirit came powerfully upon them. In Samuel’s original prediction of the event, he mentioned “a procession of prophets coming down from the high place with lyres, timbrels, pipes and harps being played before them” (1 Samuel 10:5). 1 Samuel Commentary > chapter 19. Saul sent a group of men to Naioth, not to kill David but merely to arrest him. Your “mission” is to be on this forum and try to convert us to Christianity. David had escaped to Naioth, where he was praying with Samuel. Take your question about 2 Chronicles 18 as well as 1 Samuel and "evil spirits." ... 1 Samuel 19:20-21 ERV. And he and Samuel went and dwelt in Naioth. 1 Samuel 19:24. I think I might cry. The report caused a serious problem for Saul. Useful Bible Studies > But when they came to the camps, there was a group of prophets prophesying. We've debunked this "evil spirit" nonsense before. And Jonathan told David, saying: 'Saul my father seeketh to slay thee; now therefore, I pray thee, … And he and Samuel went and dwelled in Naioth. This has been discussed ad naseum. 19. Why … Bible > 1 Samuel > Chapter 19 > Verse 23 Library • Free Downloads • eBibles WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. And he said: I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a). .". Probably Saul realised that nobody would dare to hurt David in front of Samuel. Not let's look at 1 Samuel 19:20-24, which takes place some time after Saul was "dethroned" and David was anointed to succeed him as the next King of Israel - 20. UriYosef I like your answer and it's very convincing, but something popped into my head just after reading your comment. 1 Samuel 19 New International Version (NIV) Saul Tries to Kill David 19 Saul told his son Jonathan and all the attendants to kill David. It is frustration, not deflection. The report caused a serious problem for Saul. 18. Problem: Samuel was conducting a service in which the group of prophets were prophesying. One might imagine the "departure" indicates that he lost the prophetic spirit totally, but this cannot be the case because immediately after this incident he communicated a number of prophecies to his children. 1SAM 19:20 And Saul sent messengers to take David: and when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, and Samuel standing as appointed over them, the Spirit of God was upon the messengers of Saul, and they also prophesied. The Holy Spirit did not just come upon the prophets - Saul�s men had this wonderful experience too. You've been proven to do this and that is why you "leave" for extended periods only to return after you think enough time has gone by to repeat the same nonsense. . 1-Samuel 19:21 Then Saul sent messengers to take David, but when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, with Samuel standing and presiding over them, the Spirit of God came upon the messengers of Saul; and they also prophesied. And I will go out and stand beside my father in the field where thou art, and I will commune with my … However, when Saul came, he prophesied, danced, and stripped off his clothes. Saul probably intended to persuade David to return to Gibeah (Saul’s town), so that Saul could kill David there. Then Saul sent messengers to take David, but when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, with Samuel standing and presiding over them, the Spirit of God came upon the messengers of Saul; and they also prophesied. (1a) Saul plots the murder of David, attempting to enlist the help of Jonathan and his servants. I'll speak to him about you and will … which is not referring to a spiritual entity (“evil spirit”), but rather to a medical condition (some kind of neurosis) engineered by God. These things happened to two more groups of Saul�s men also. And Jonathan told David, saying, "Saul, my father, seeks to put you to death, and now, beware now … 19 And it was told Saul, saying, Behold, David is at Naioth in Ramah. The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!! And the Lord said: Who will entice Ahab, king of Israel so that he will go up and fall in Ramoth-Gilead? 1 Samuel 19:20. :וְהָיָה יְיָ לְמֶלֶךְ עַל כָּל הָאָרֶץ בַּיּוֹם הַהוּא יִהְיֶה יְיָ אֶחָד וּשְׁמוֹ אֶחָד, וְר֧וּחַ יְיָ֛ סָ֖רָה מֵעִ֣ם שָׁא֑וּל וּבִֽעֲתַ֥תּוּ, I'm also confused about your use of the word, "the term Shechinah refers to the outward expression of prophecy, the ability of hte prophet to articulate his message to the listeners, to make it "dwell" and sit in their minds. 1 Samuel 19:19-21 Saul wanted to kill David so much that he told his officials to search through Israel for him. http://www.chabad.org/library/article_c ... -Seven.htm. At first glance, the scene depicted in 1 Samuel 19:1-10 does seem surprising, given what we know about God. ◄ 1 Samuel 19:24 ► And he stripped off his clothes also, and prophesied before Samuel in like manner, and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Sophiee - please don't confuse my purpose on this forum with my purpose in life. (Amos 3:6). Perhaps David was among them. 2 But Jonathan Saul’s son delighted much in David: and Jonathan told David, saying, Saul my father seeketh to kill thee: now therefore, I pray thee, take heed to thyself until the morning, and abide in a secret place, and hide thyself: Instead, when the men arrived in Naioth, they saw a wonderful event. This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our, And Saul sent messengers to take David, and he saw the company of prophets, and Samuel was standing as head over them; and a spirit from God was upon Saul's messengers, and they too. 19:20 And Saul sent messengers to take David: and when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, and Samuel standing as appointed over them, the Spirit of God was upon the messengers of Saul, and they also prophesied. The messengers sent by Saul were so affected by the religious spirit of the gathering that they joined in the exercise and forgot the purpose for which they were sent. We can see this from the Talmudic description of Ya'akov who desired to reveal the precise date of the End of Days to his children, but the Shechinah departed from him. download page for our free 450 page course book. Useful Bible Studies > 1 Samuel Commentary > chapter 19. 1 Samuel 19:20 Then Saul sent messengers to take David, but when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, with Samuel standing and presiding over them, the Spirit of God came upon the messengers of Saul; and they also prophesied. Mark your protestations of innocence and being "picked on" might carry some weight if you didn't have a history of repeating the same tired arguments which we have already explained at great lengths to you. In what way was the evil spirit “from” the Lord? (The divine presence is) "the created light that G--d causes to descend in a particular place in order to confer honor upon it in a miraculous way" (Guide for the Perplexed,  I, 64). You can download all our articles if you go to the download page for our free 450 page course book. It can seem to imply that God chose to afflict Saul with the evil spirit. You have asked these same questions and been replied to with patience for YEARS. 1 Samuel 19:20 “And Saul sent messengers to take David: and when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, and Samuel standing as appointed over them, the Spirit of God was upon the messengers of Saul, and they also prophesied.” They were prophesying; in other words they spoke words that came from the Holy Spirit. 1SAM 19:21 And when it was told Saul, he sent other messengers, and they prophesied likewise. 10. One said thus, and another said thus. The result was that Saul�s men were unable to arrest David. And Saul sent messengers to take David, and he saw the company of prophets prophesying and Samuel was standing as head over them; and a spirit from God was upon Saul's messengers, and they too prophesied. And the Lord said to him: Wherewith? "And I will go out and stand beside my father in the field where thou [art], and I will commune with … Saul Tries to Kill David. But when they saw a group of prophets prophesying, with Samuel standing there as their leader, the Spirit of God came on Saul’s men, and they also prophesied. Saul sent men a third time, and they also prophesied. 1 Samuel 19 – David Flees from Saul Psalm relevant to this chapter: Psalm 59. "Forming 'Light' and creating 'Darkness', making 'Peace' and וּבוֹרֵא רָע /  u-voré ra -- creating 'Evil' - I am HaShem and I do ALL these things"  Isaiah 45:7. A. Jonathan defends David before his father Saul. I will go out and stand with my father in the field where you are. Why does Saul do this when apparently none of the others did? What the group was probably doing is reciting divinely inspired songs and praises to God. When Saul’s men came to capture David, they were overcome by the Spirit of the Lord and they also prophesied. 1 Samuel 19:23 So Saul went to Naioth in Ramah. Mark, do I really need to search through our archives to find the posts where you've even admitted to what I stated? Virgin birth / named Immanu'el / עִמָּנוּ אֵל, Max Wertheimer - Reform Rabbi converted to Christian Science and then became Baptist in 1904 (died 1941), Rambam - the 13 Principles of Faith: Principles 8 and 9. why the holy spirit is not divine ,according to Judaism? They knew the power of God in their lives; they spoke the words that the Holy Spirit directed them to say. "Shall there be evil in a city, and the L-rd has not done it?" 1 Samuel 19 King James Version (KJV). And they came there to the hill, and behold, a band of prophets (came) toward him. I am here to learn. Then Saul received the report that David was with Samuel at Naioth. But Jonathan had taken a great liking to David 2 and warned him, “My father Saul is looking for a chance to kill you. Samuel was standing there leading the group. (Pesachim 56a). 19 And Saul spake to Jonathan his son, and to all his servants, that they should kill David. 21. It was similar to the experience that Saul himself had in 1 Samuel 10:10. And he said, "Therefore, listen to the word of the Lord. than told David, saying: “Saul my father is seeking to have you put to death. and even upon him was a spirit from God, and he went along prophesying, Therefore, they say, "Is Saul also among the prophets?". 1 Samuel 19:20-24 Saul had sent a group of messengers to capture David. Samuel was leading a group of prophets (holy men) as they prayed. 1 Samuel 19:20 20 so he sent men to capture him. That was what Saul wanted; but it never actually happened. Can't you just accept it and get on with constructive teaching? But when they came to the camps, there was a group of prophets prophesying. 20. 20 And Saul sent messengers to take David: and when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, and Samuel standing as appointed over them, the Spirit of God was upon the messengers of Saul, and they also prophesied. Your modus operandi is to come here to proselytize in the pretense of asking questions. Mordochai wrote: UriYosef wrote: What the group was probably doing is reciting divinely inspired songs and praises to God. And a certain spirit came forth and stood before the Lord and said: I will entice him. Please use the links at the top of the page to find our other articles in this series. And the trumpeters and the singers were as one, to make one sound, to praise and to thank the Lord, and when they raised a sound with trumpets and with cymbals and with the musical instruments and with praise to the Lord, "for He is good, because His kindness is eternal," and the House became full of the cloud of the House of the Lord. 1. 19. BTW if you think there is an entity called the "evil spirit" why isn't that god #4 in the quadrinity? Next part: Saul prophesies (1 Samuel 19:22-24). Go forth and do so. We do not know whether they still even wanted to arrest David after that experience. I have a deep burden for the tribulation that lies ahead for this people, and I now know that, God has given me a mission to shine the light of Messiah Jesus into their hearts. First of all, I'm surprised you notice my absence. 1 Samuel 20 Chapter 19 Immediately after David’s marriage, which one would have hoped would secure him Saul’s affection, we find his troubles coming upon him faster than ever and Saul’s enmity to … כֹּל֩ אֲשֶׁ֨ר תֹּאמַ֥ר אֵלֶ֛יךָ שָׂרָ֖ה שְׁמַ֣ע בְּקֹלָ֑הּ. Why did God let an evil spirit torment Saul? 19 And it was told Saul, saying, Behold, David is at Naioth in Ramah. Saul prophesies 1 Samuel 19:22-24. It can always be said of our lives, and there was war again. It is likely this was a group of musicians from Gibeah who prophesied before the Lord. He told his son Jonathan and all his stewards that a hit has been put on David to be killed, and they are to carry it out. Spake good— Which he could not do without hazard to himself. Everyone in Israel, including Saul, knew that Samuel was a very holy man. Then Saul received the report that David was with Samuel at Naioth. Rambam mentions this event in Mishneh Torah, Yesodey haTorah Chapter 7 which is a chapter completely devoted to prophecy. 20. But honestly, for how long will you act surprised to find out that I'm a Christian? I saw the Lord seated on His throne, and all the host of heaven were standing on His right and His left. 1 Samuel 19. Herein therefore he performed the duty of a true friend, and of a valiant man. However, when the men brought David back to Saul, Saul would have another opportunity to kill him. Ruah is not a thing or a person, it's a state. Saul sent a second and third group of messengers, both with the same result (Verse 21). One moment please... okay, done. When Saul’s men failed to arrest David there, Saul himself went. And he stripped off his clothes also Not all his clothes, but his upper garments, as men in such circumstances used to do, as the prophets sometimes did, and as it seems his messengers had done; according to Jarchi, R. Isaiah, and others F14, he stripped himself of his royal robes, and put on the habit of the scholars, the disciples, and sons of the prophets: In 1 Samuel 12:18, God answered Samuel�s prayers in a very impressive manner, so that all the people were afraid of Samuel. 19:19 And it was told Saul, saying, Behold, David is at Naioth in Ramah. However, if we look at the Hebrew and consider what we know from other passages … 1 Samuel Chapter 19 Summary First Samuel 19 begins with Saul openly attempting to kill the young David, one of his very own war generals, and one of the best we’ll add. But when they saw a group of prophets f prophesying, with Samuel standing there as their leader, the Spirit of God came on g Saul’s men, and they also prophesied. But whenever we are at a time of cease-fire in the spiritual war, we know the battle will begin again before long. than told David: “My father Saul wants to have you put to death. So he sent some men to arrest David. “And Saul sent messengers to take David: and when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, and Samuel standing as appointed over them, the Spirit of God was upon the messengers of Saul, and they also prophesied.” King James Version (KJV) God himself was protecting David. 1-Samuel 19:2 Now Saul told Jonathan his son and all his servants to put David to death. 21 Saul was told about it, and he sent more men, and they prophesied too. Probably those were words to praise God rather than to tell about future events. The Spirit of God came on Saul’s messenger. stripped off his clothes, and he too prophesied before Samuel, and he fell naked all that day and all the night. Yesodey haTorah chapter 7 Which is a chapter completely devoted to prophecy front... 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